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Trump's Undersecretary of Defense for Policy repeatedly said TSMC fabs should be destroyed if China invades Taiwan

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Elbridge Colby believes in "broken nest” policy shared by some military academics​


President-elect Donald Trump's nominee for Undersecretary of Defense for Policy has repeatedly pushed the idea of destroying TSMC's chip fabs in Taiwan if China invades.

Elbridge Colby said: "We’d be insane to let TSMC fall into China's hands untouched," in a May 2023 tweet, one of many pushing the idea of destroying the primary factories of the world's largest contract semiconductor manufacturer.

TSMC Fab 5

– Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., Ltd.

US military academics have also previously suggested that, if China invades Taiwan, the country should instigate a ‘scorched earth policy’ and destroy its own semiconductor foundries in order to make itself a less useful and unattractive target. The "Broken Nest" paper was the US Army War College's most downloaded paper of 2021.

Colby, however, said in 2023 that such industrial sabotage should not be left up to Taiwan. "Sorry but that’s not just a Taiwanese decision. Far too important for the rest of us," he said.

Earlier this year, he said: "Disabling or destroying TSMC is table stakes if China is taking over Taiwan. Would we be so insane as to allow the world's key semiconductor company [to] fall untouched into the hands of an aggressive PRC? Taiwanese should realize that would be *the least* of their problems."

He also suggested enacting punitive sanctions on the US ally in order to encourage it to spend more on its own defense.

Colby served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense in Trump’s first term, from 2017-18, where he helped write the administration’s national defense strategy.

In June 2018, Colby was appointed as Director of the Defense Program at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS). In 2019 he co-founded The Marathon Initiative.

With China viewing Taiwan as a breakaway province, it has openly spoken of a desire to reunify the island with the mainland and regularly carries out provocative military maneuvers near its borders.

Earlier this year, the US Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo told the House Appropriations Committee that a hypothetical Chinese invasion of Taiwan and seizure of TSMC would be “absolutely devastating” for the United States.

She said that “the United States buys 92 percent of its leading edge chips from TSMC in Taiwan,” meaning any disruption to that supply chain would have a significant impact on the US economy.

The Biden Administration passed the CHIPS Act in 2022, in part to reduce this reliance (and avoid the chip supply chain issues seen during Covid), but the act has been slow to disperse funds.

Many recipients are only now getting payments to build chip fabs - themselves highly expensive, slow to develop factories, that still rely on a global supply chain infrastructure to operate.

Incoming President Donald Trump has criticized the act, suggesting tariffs instead.

"That chip deal is so bad, we put up billions of dollars for rich companies to come and borrow the money and build chip companies here, and they're not going to give us the good companies anyway," Trump said on the Joe Rogan podcast.

It is not clear who he means by "the good companies." TSMC is set to receive $11.6 billion in CHIPS Act funding - $6.6bn in grants and $5bn in loans - and is building a major fab in Arizona.

US companies Intel, GlobalFoundries, and others have also been beneficiaries of the Act, alongside South Korean firms SK Hynix and Samsung.
However, in a 2022 paper for The Marathon Initiative, Colby criticized the idea of tariffs on Taiwanese chip companies.
"Indirect negative or punitive strategies are risky, given global reliance on the Taiwanese semiconductor industry," he said.

"Efforts to impose tariffs on TSMC and associated sub-groups would likely generate global resistance to the inevitable price increases. Additionally, US efforts to partially re-shore and near-shore its semiconductor supply chains will take time to come to fruition, and further, it is not clear that efforts to accelerate this process or penalize TSMC would make a timely, material difference in Taiwanese defense efforts."
He added: "To the degree that such a strategy might prove fruitful, however, placing tariffs on less powerful interest groups – such as the Formosa petrochemical, chemical, and plastics conglomerate – might provide a first step toward building the requisite critical mass for forming a political coalition for increased defense expenditure."

 
This is an empty threat, a complete bluff. Destroying 70% of the semiconductor manufacturing capacity (Taiwan) is lunacy. The fabless semiconductor industry would be crippled. The world economy would overreact to the point of chaos, just like it did during the pandemic but many times worse. It would be far less expensive to defend Taiwan. A coalition of countries (US, Japan, Korea, EU, etc...) versus China? I believe this is one of the reasons why we have the current administration. It is a worldwide poker game with a lot of bluffing going on.

Personally, I think the CHIPs Act is a good start and should continue. Tariffs could work too but it is not a one or the other decision, we can do both.
 
This is an empty threat, a complete bluff. Destroying 70% of the semiconductor manufacturing capacity (Taiwan) is lunacy. The fabless semiconductor industry would be crippled. The world economy would overreact to the point of chaos, just like it did during the pandemic but many times worse. It would be far less expensive to defend Taiwan. A coalition of countries (US, Japan, Korea, EU, etc...) versus China? I believe this is one of the reasons why we have the current administration. It is a worldwide poker game with a lot of bluffing going on.

Personally, I think the CHIPs Act is a good start and should continue. Tariffs could work too but it is not a one or the other decision, we can do both.
Good word "lunacy".

I think the real reason it won't happen is because Trump is very transactional. Lots of very very wealthy people are not going to want the US to plunge into recession (or worse) over night. That is the reason I think the threat is empty.

Here is the process:
1) Say something scary
2) People who will lose lots of wealth come to you concerned for their life's wealth
3) Get something from them they would not otherwise have been willing to give you
4) Miraculously change your mind about the scary thing.
5) Rince and Repeat
 
Good word "lunacy".

I think the real reason it won't happen is because Trump is very transactional. Lots of very very wealthy people are not going to want the US to plunge into recession (or worse) over night. That is the reason I think the threat is empty.

Here is the process:
1) Say something scary
2) People who will lose lots of wealth come to you concerned for their life's wealth
3) Get something from them they would not otherwise have been willing to give you
4) Miraculously change your mind about the scary thing.
5) Rince and Repeat
That is great. China will have leading edge processes at minimum cost and will surpass US sooner. But I guess I should not use the word "will".
 
That is great. China will have leading edge processes at minimum cost and will surpass US sooner. But I guess I should not use the word "will".

It "will" be cheaper for the US to defend Taiwan versus the many trillions of dollars wealthy people "will" lose without a robust semiconductor supply chain. It "will" always come down to money.
 
I think it would be cheaper and most importantly responsible to relocate leading edge factories to elsewhere.

People residing in that region are not shareholders of US companies.
 
If Chinese companies had leading-edge semiconductor technology, they could iterate faster and offer much more cost-competitive products and services. In that case, I do not believe the valuations of companies like Nvidia, OpenAI, and others would be justified.

 
Although Tesla is dominating the robotics conversation, I believe cost is a very important consideration when it comes to actual purchasing decisions. Unitree visited our lab a few months ago to demo their humanoid and quadruped robots, and their pricing is very competitive.

 
If Chinese companies had leading-edge semiconductor technology, they could iterate faster and offer much more cost-competitive products and services. In that case, I do not believe the valuations of companies like Nvidia, OpenAI, and others would be justified.

Why would the Chinese Semi Industry seek to destroy value?

Are you saying profit is neither a motive nor a requirement for the industry?
 
If we did destroy Taiwan's, then Mainland and South Korean would have the world's leading fabs; and a stranglehold on the world's economy.

The best defense is to defend Ukraine vigorously, so that China sees the futility of an invasion; And to sell more of our advanced weapons to Taiwan, Japan, So. Korea, and other dependable allies. Supporting India would help too. They're already moving past their BRICS alliance.
 
If we did destroy Taiwan's, then Mainland and South Korean would have the world's leading fabs; and a stranglehold on the world's economy.

The best defense is to defend Ukraine vigorously, so that China sees the futility of an invasion; And to sell more of our advanced weapons to Taiwan, Japan, So. Korea, and other dependable allies. Supporting India would help too. They're already moving past their BRICS alliance.
I agree, but that is not what we did. Enough aid was provided to Ukraine to hold the line. I believe this was done as a bleeding strategy to Russia to weaken them without risk to the West.

The real risk was always China, not Russia. Politicians are so checkers thinking they can't play chess to save their lives, or the world economy.
 
I agree on both. China is the real threat. Russia's aggression provided an easy opportunity to show resolve, as a possible deterrent to potential Chinese aggression. Sadly the US and allies seem to be abandoning our current inadequate support for Ukraine. Worse, that lack of resolve fits the anti-democracy thesis of China and Russia. And yes, politicians on both sides don't see it that way.

The war in Ukraine also provides a testing ground for weapons. We could learn by continuing the effort to optimize future defense spending. That's where democracy shines, because we generate more innovations and cash per capita.
 
Relocating fabs should encourage peace in the region, as there would be fewer reasons to escalate tensions. Additionally, Taiwan would no longer frequently face shortages in electricity supply.

 
Relocating fabs should encourage peace in the region, as there would be fewer reasons to escalate tensions. Additionally, Taiwan would no longer frequently face shortages in electricity supply.

Yes, and in 10 to 15 years that is a great goal. Today, and for another decade while production capability ramps up in other places in the world, Taiwan is a pivotable strategic chess piece in the global economy.
 
Yes, and in 10 to 15 years that is a great goal. Today, and for another decade while production capability ramps up in other places in the world, Taiwan is a pivotable strategic chess piece in the global economy.
The issue is that advanced fabs are still being built in Taiwan, while this might satisfy shareholders in the short term. Also, I don't believe people in Taiwan are content with the current electricity supply situation, as this topic is frequently highlighted in Taiwanese media.
 
I think it would be cheaper and most importantly responsible to relocate leading edge factories to elsewhere.

People residing in that region are not shareholders of US companies.
That would be impossible to happen:


Taiwanese regulations require domestic chipmakers to manufacture only chips using previous-generation fabrication processes at their overseas facilities, keeping the most advanced technology within the country...While this is not said directly, these regulations are meant to ensure that Taiwan in general, and TSMC in particular, remains a key business hub for the world's leading chip designers that require leading-edge process technologies, and which all happen to be from the U.S.
But hopefully, TSMC should be smarter to use less electricity than projected: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/...4-of-taiwans-electricity-consumption-by-2030/
 
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