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Qualcomm can dump Google

Paul2

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“By making Android safer, we’re protecting the open environment that allows developers and users to confidently create and connect,” Google said in its announcement. “Android’s new developer verification is an extra layer of security that deters bad actors and makes it harder for them to spread harm.”

 
Then they would have to spend billions each year develop this Qualdroid fork. Which probably wouldn't even succeed, given the near competitors on the high end, and many competitors on the low/mainstream end.

Even if it does succeed and gets a small part of the market, what would be the benefit to Qualcomm?
 
Then they would have to spend billions each year develop this Qualdroid fork. Which probably wouldn't even succeed, given the near competitors on the high end, and many competitors on the low/mainstream end.

Even if it does succeed and gets a small part of the market, what would be the benefit to Qualcomm?

They don't have to develop a competition, just prevent it from running, and exact astonishing fees.
 
You'd have to explain yourself more.
"They don't have to develop a competition": then what is the Qualdroid you mentioned?
"just prevent it from running, and exact astonishing fees": prevent ppl from using your chips unless they pay extra fees?
 
You'd have to explain yourself more.
"They don't have to develop a competition": then what is the Qualdroid you mentioned?
"just prevent it from running, and exact astonishing fees": prevent ppl from using your chips unless they pay extra fees?

Not only that, the technical capability is there to block even third party executable code from running on a tweaked kernel.

Google just doesn't realise it opens the door for chip suppliers to pull the same trick on them that they are trying to do themselves
 
I'm still not clear on what you are proposing. Are you saying that Qualcomm should or should not make an android fork?

Yes, I am saying they can make a 1-to-1 Android fork of the current version of Android and, over the years, divert everything from Google, by denying Google's, or anyone else version of Android from running on their chips.
 
What would be the benefit of that to Qualcomm? Google would still control the whole ecosystem as they would be the only ones developing Android. Which, like you said, Qualdroid would be essentially identical to, other than the name and the restriction.
 
What would be the benefit of that to Qualcomm? Google would still control the whole ecosystem as they would be the only ones developing Android.

In the bottom level, Android is open source, and GPL, which can be altered trivially. And after a trivial modification, they can just deny newer Google's Android versions from loading, appropriating the app store revenue, ads, and making a youtube clone. And then they can just built in an adblock to add an insult to injury.
 
Sure they can make a fork not compatible with Google Play Services and add their own app store instead. But then none of the google apps or major apps from other publishers would work on it.
Making a Youtube clone is pretty much impossible. Just take a look at the ones that exist today. Same with making a GMail clone, google docs clone, etc...
 
But then none of the google apps or major apps from other publishers would work on it.

It's technically trivial to make it backwards compatible only for your version of Android, but not forward. So eventually they can wrestle publishers to only support "Qualdroid" over original
 
(I disagree that making a replacement for Play Services is trivial, but let's forget that for now). Which app makers would use the surrogate API? Google certainly won't. And so you'd have a phone that can't run YouTube. And other google apps at least, in addition to many other apps. But let's just say it's only YouTube. Who would buy a phone that can't run YouTube?
 
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(I disagree that making a replacement for Play Services is trivial, but let's forget that for now). Which app makers would use the surrogate API? Google certainly won't. And so you'd have a phone that can't run YouTube. And other google apps at least, in addition to many other apps. But let's just say it's only YouTube. Who would buy a phone that can't run YouTube?

Huawei fared rather well with Play Services, and and you can coax Youtube app onto their phones. What undermined them is just the very big status reduction of owning a Huawei phone as they were drawn as "communist phones" (which they are)
 
It took Huawei years to make a Play Services replacement. And most major apps don't work on Huawei's phones (excluding ones from China). Certainly not a "trivial" replacement.
Do you really expect most phone users to find workarounds to "coax" YouTube onto their phone if it doesn't natively support it?
 
(I disagree that making a replacement for Play Services is trivial, but let's forget that for now). Which app makers would use the surrogate API? Google certainly won't. And so you'd have a phone that can't run YouTube. And other google apps at least, in addition to many other apps. But let's just say it's only YouTube. Who would buy a phone that can't run YouTube?
You can run YouTube on a web browser on Android we got revanced and new pipe that are open source doesn't contains ads and don't have Google privacy issue.
 
You can run YouTube on a web browser on Android we got revanced and new pipe that are open source doesn't contains ads and don't have Google privacy issue.
There are workarounds of course, but again, do you expect the majority of users to do that? Then add another app, such as google maps. You expect normal users to try to work around that too?
The answer is obviously no. So no major phone company will release phones with that expectation. Meaning that the whole idea of "Qualdroid" is dead on arrival.
 
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