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Apple M4 chip rumors: Everything you need to know

Daniel Nenni

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 Photo illustration of Apple M4 chip colorfully springing to life from the control board of a MacBook Pro.

Photo illustration of Apple M4 chip colorfully springing to life from the control board of a MacBook Pro.

Rumors about Apple's M4 chip are all the rage right now, with the latest claiming that we might see the M4 chip debut in the new iPad Pro at Apple's "Let Loose" event on May 7. That rumor may be a bit far-fetched, but there's a high chance we'll see the M4 chip debut this year.

Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, a reliable reporter on all things Apple, provides a lot of information about the M4 chip lineup. Some of these rumors may be confirmed or denied at WWDC 2024, but for now, here's what we know about the M4 chip from Apple, from its possible release date and price to its potential variants, specs, and AI features.

Apple M4 chip: Release date and price​

Thanks to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, we have a timeline for M4 MacBooks. Gurman thinks that Apple will debut its first M4 Macs by the end of 2024—potentially in October or November. The first devices with the M4 treatment might be a low-end 14-inch MacBook Pro and a 24-inch iMac.

A high-end MacBook Pro with an M4 Pro or Max chip and an M4-powered Mac Mini may also be released in late 2024 or possibly early 2025. The rest of Apple's computer lineup will receive an M4 upgrade throughout 2025, even if they're only sporting an M2 chip right now.

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It's worth noting that Gurman also recently speculated that an AI-powered M4 iPad Pro could launch as soon as May 7, 2024. He said there's a "strong possibility" that these new iPads will sport the M4 instead of the M3. That said, a fall 2024 launch for M4 chips seems more likely.

Regarding price, there aren't many rumors on how much Apple will raise costs, if any, with the M4 chip. The starting price for Apple's MacBook Pro 14 (M3, 2023) is $1,599, and the MacBook Pro 16-inch (M3, 2023) is $2,499. The MacBook Pro 16 has stayed at that $2,499 starting price for the past three generations, and there's no reason to suspect its M4 version will cost any more.

Apple M4 chip: Possible variants​

Right now, there are only rumors about three primary variants of the M4 chip: the standard M4 (codenamed Donan), the more powerful M4 Pro (Brava), and the ultimate performing M4 Max (Hidra).

According to Bloomberg, the low-end MacBook Pro, new MacBook Airs, and a low-end Mac mini will likely be equipped with the bare M4 chip. High-end MacBook Pros and a "pricier" Mac mini should sport the M4 Pro, and the M4 Max may be reserved for the new Mac Pro.

Apple M4 chip: Specs​

Apple's M4 chip is a bit of a mystery despite its possible release later this year. A few leaks have suggested that the M4 may be built using 2-nanometer process technology, which would mean incredible boosts in performance, but other leaks seem to think the M4 chip will stick with the same 3-nm process as the M3.

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Even though M4 chips are supposedly nearing production, there haven't been any leaked Geekbench results to gauge its performance. If the M4 chip offers the same upgrade trajectory we saw from the M2 chip to the M3 chip, we can estimate that its Geekbench score should be just over 15,000.

A score like that would beat the Snapdragon X Elite prototype's highest results by about 23%, giving Apple the hypothetical edge in the M4 vs Snapdragon X Elite battle.

Aside from noticeable performance improvements, we don't know much about the M4 chip's makeup. However, Gurman thinks that Apple might increase the upper memory limit for desktop Macs with the M4 chip, but it's not yet clear whether MacBook Pros will get a memory boost.

Apple M4 chip: AI features​

2024 is the year Apple finally got into the AI game, and the M4 chip will undoubtedly power some snazzy new AI features. While the company's M-series chips have always sported a Neural Engine, the M4 chip might be the first to utilize its AI capabilities fully.
Canalys roadmap image showing the anticipated release date for Apple, Intel, AMD, and Qualcomm chips through 2025

Canalys roadmap image showing the anticipated release date for Apple, Intel, AMD, and Qualcomm chips through 2025

According to Mark Gurman, Apple "plans to add new artificial intelligence features across its products," with most of these features running on-device rather than via cloud servers.

Apple will likely debut many AI features for macOS 15 at WWDC 2024. While we won't get to see the features in action on an M4 chip, we could get a teaser of how AI features could improve with more powerful hardware.

Outlook​

There's still a lot we don't know about the M4 chip — namely performance benchmark results — but given the history of Apple's silicon chips, it's bound to boast impressive upgrades over the M3 lineup.

While there was a year and a half between the M2 and M3 launch (and the M2 and M1 launch), all the rumors point to a fall 2024 launch for Apple's first M4-powered devices, only one year after the M3's release date. Considering how much AI PCs have grown in popularity and how impressive initial benchmarks are for Qualcomm's and Intel's new chips, it's not strange that Apple would want to release M4 chips soon.

Of course, these are all just rumors until Apple confirms or denies information, so take everything with a healthy dose of salt. Past WWDC 2024 (which kicks off June 10, 2024), we might get some definitive information about Apple's next-gen Macs and the M4 chip.

 
I hope Apple has been talking to content creators in movie and animation industries. You know, video content creators. These people love Mac Pros and Studios, when they can use them, because 192GB of DRAM is peanuts to them. I'm hoping for the sake of Mac revenue growth there will be a 1TB memory version of the M4 Ultra, stuck in a Mac Studio package, and if they do I suspect there will be a many-month waiting list for them, even priced at $6-7K or more. But this is Apple, and sometimes they forget to turn on their hearing aids.
 
I struggle a bit when articles try to place Qualcomm's processors in the same league with Apple Silicon of x86.. maybe it's just my age showing but I can't take that seriously yet.

I suspect WWDC this year is going to focus more on next gen displays for iPad Pro, and maybe some early AI features in iOS. I also agree with blueone that Apple needs to do much better with their Mac Pro line.
 
I struggle a bit when articles try to place Qualcomm's processors in the same league with Apple Silicon of x86.. maybe it's just my age showing but I can't take that seriously yet.
Actually, from my look-see at the Qualcomm Snapdragon Elite-X specs, it looks pretty good superficially. 12 single-threaded cores, 8 DDR5 channels (versus 2 on the AMD and Intel competitors), WiFi 7 and 5G modems in the chipset. Small max memory size (64GB) support compared to Intel (96GB) and AMD (256GB), which is weird when you're talking about gaming. The low-level benchmarks look good, but Intel and AMD CPUs have a wide range of special instructions, which are implemented in micro-ops and state machines in their CPUs, especially for security, encryption, storage, virtualization, among other application areas, and it's not clear yet what Snapdragon has or doesn't have. These differences could affect the user experience, but Qualcomm isn't talking about them so far. For Windows support, well, Intel and AMD are decades ahead in Windows experience, so what a user really sees is unclear. Intel compiler technology is the best there is.

As for Apple... Qualcomm's BS is funny. Apple users buy the ecosystem, the luxury hardware and displays, and the apps, not TOPS from NPUs. If you want a Mac you're not cross-shopping it with a Windows laptop. Get a life, Qualcomm. :)
 
Actually, from my look-see at the Qualcomm Snapdragon Elite-X specs, it looks pretty good superficially. 12 single-threaded cores, 8 DDR5 channels (versus 2 on the AMD and Intel competitors), WiFi 7 and 5G modems in the chipset. Small max memory size (64GB) support compared to Intel (96GB) and AMD (256GB), which is weird when you're talking about gaming. The low-level benchmarks look good, but Intel and AMD CPUs have a wide range of special instructions, which are implemented in micro-ops and state machines in their CPUs, especially for security, encryption, storage, virtualization, among other application areas, and it's not clear yet what Snapdragon has or doesn't have. These differences could affect the user experience, but Qualcomm isn't talking about them so far. For Windows support, well, Intel and AMD are decades ahead in Windows experience, so what a user really sees is unclear. Intel compiler technology is the best there is.

As for Apple... Qualcomm's BS is funny. Apple users buy the ecosystem, the luxury hardware and displays, and the apps, not TOPS from NPUs. If you want a Mac you're not cross-shopping it with a Windows laptop. Get a life, Qualcomm. :)
It is still 128bit/160bit( Quad Channel since DDR5 has now 32bit + 8bit ecc in 4 channel ) counting ECC same as Intel and amd also the big Problem is the software arm on windows vs x86 on windows yeah good luck with that Qualcomm it will take quite some time and amd and Intel are not sitting idle marketing being marketing ig
 
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