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Thread: Which smartphone will feature a 10nm processor the first?

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    Every indication is that A10X is NOT TSMC 10nm. We will presumably know in a few days when Chipworks opens one up. But the Geekbench numbers suggest that it's the same process as A10. (Runs same frequency as A10, just w/ 8MiB L2 and 3 cores.)

    The original source of "A10X=10nm" seems to be the (somewhat unreliable) Digitimes.
    It gained plausibility given the delay in shipping the new iPads, and seemed reasonable --- if Apple were willing to dual-source the A9 to both TSMC and Samsung, maybe they were willing to perform a similar sort of "dual-target-process" trick for TSMC's 16nm and 10nm? It also gained plausibility in that the timelines lined up with when TSMC said 10nm would be ready.

    But if you look at the news stories through Google, it was never widely agreed upon, or widely sourced. (Compare to the large-scale agreement by everyone that A11 recently entered manufacturing on TSMC 10nm...)

    I think the most reasonable interpretation is that we all let our hopes excite us too much! And that the delay in iPad Pros from say October or so till now reflects not a delay to get the A10X on 10nm, but a delay for other reasons. (Perhaps sourcing the screens, which are definitely above average... Perhaps just a deliberate decision by Apple to try to shift what revenue they can from the pile-up quarter of Q4 each year when new iPhones come out into something more evenly spread? Perhaps an assumption that to get people excited about iPad sales again, they needed to launch the new models with the promise of the iPad-specific OS improvements that they demo'ed at WWDC but which weren't ready until recently?)

    This all MAY imply trouble with TSMC 10nm? Or may be meaningless.
    Certainly the Snapdragon 835 numbers suggest what I would consider only a disappointing process improvement over say the 821. This may reflect that Samsung 10nm is not that great, or just that rushing to be "First!!!" on a new process is kinda silly if the cost is that neither your design nor the process are really optimized.

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    Apple A10X on TSMC 10nm: Confirmed

    Apple A10X is TSMC 10nnm:

    TechInsights Confirms Appleā€™s A10X SoC Is TSMC 10nm FF; 96.4mm2 Die Size

    45% feature size improvement with nominal perf and no benchmarking on power yet. If the frequency numbers are anything to go by, this is in line with expectations where scaling will now mainly enable area/power savings but very limited performance.

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    Good that we have clarified this !

    Some other updates :
    July'17 : the Meizu Pro 7 is confirmed, and should be the first smartphone using the Mediatek Helio X30 ( 10nm TSMC), which will be the 4th Application processor in 10nm to go in production.
    Sept'17 : Apple will release the Iphone 8 with the A12 in 10nm TSMC, 5th AP on the market in 10nm, but probably highest volume of the year.
    Nov'17 : Release of the Huawei Mate 10, using Kirin 970 developped in 10nm TSMC. 6th AP on the market!
    March'18 : Qualcomm already in trial production for the Snapdragon 845 in 10LPP, it will be the first product available in a second generation 10nm process along with the new Exynos for the Samsung S9 !
    Sept'18 : Apple will release the new Iphone ( 8S/9?) with most likely the first chip in 7nm from TSMC !
    Sept'18 : V40 from LG might be the first device using Intel Foundry 10nm technology. Current G6 ( march'17) came with SD821, the V30 ( Sept'17) to come with the SD835, and the next G7 ( march'18) expected to come with the SD845 ( 10LPP). Only the V40 ( Sept'17) could be using the internal AP from LG design with Intel foundry ( Nuclun :
    http://citsdaily.blogspot.com/2017/05/what-ever-happened-to-lgs-nuclun.html?_sm_au_=i70HZq6N2rtD6FZs ) but very unlikely : new relationship, Intel not really a foundry, LG new comer in the AP design, ...

    2018 Will be very interesting, Because Samsung will have to position itself with a 10nm LPP while TSMC is already providing 7nm. Intel even if its 10nm looks better on the paper, will be already too late if execution works as planned ( which we can doubt ). GF might be back as well in 2018 with its 7nm, Who could be interested ( Qualcomm or Apple I can see, but execution is very risky ...).


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    First smarphone featuring 10nm TSMC technology released today : the meizu pro 7 plus embeds the Helio X30 from Mediatek ( Meizu Pro 7 and Pro 7 Plus unveiled: dual Super AMOLED, dual Sony cams, Helio X30 - GSMArena.com news )
    Meizu sold 22M smartphone in 2016 ( Apple sold 215M)

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