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Thread: Trump may win the trade battle with China but lose the war

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    Trump may win the trade battle with China but lose the war

    My quote is at the end of the article:

    The long-predicted trade war with China is here. China just responded to President Donald Trump's tariffs on steel and aluminum by slapping tariffs on U.S. food and steel pipes, setting off a sharp drop in U.S. stocks. With the White House promising additional trade barriers on up to $60 billion in Chinese imports, more tit-for-tat trade retaliation seems likely.

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    But many economists and trade experts believe that, while the U.S. president could win the current battle, he will ultimately lose a trade war and a big reason for that should concern the U.S. tech sector.....

    Trump may win the trade battle with China but lose the war - Chicago Tribune

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    I'm not a Trump fan on many issues including the wars, drug and military, and our relationships with Canada and Mexico, but China must step up and be a responsible member of the international trading community, which they have not been. The Chinese have been flagrant in the theft and forced turnover of IP from the rest of the world, especially advanced countries. The US should not be alone in this and enlist other countries like Germany, Japan, Taiwan and others that have been the victims of continuous blatant and flagrant IP theft by the Chinese. What is really needed for the benefit of all, like I have written previously in these forums, is a world wide standard for the protection of IP that is fair and balanced. Even the current US system of patents and copyrights has serious flaws that need to be corrected. The time and place is now for the world to come together to reach solutions to these problems with current IP abuse of all types and set up a platform that is timely, efficient, cost effective with fast and fair enforcement mechanisms. This will benefit everyone in a world where IP is truly the new gold. This will be our chance to see who the true world leaders are in how they apply wisdom and fairness to a problem that hurts everyone and impedes the progress that the world needs to meet the challenges all of us face.

    This is not a trade war in the classic sense, but an IP war. IP is the new gold and the most valuable currency of all. You can literally put a billions of dollars of IP on a single drive. This is a conflict that must be resolved in a proper manner for the benefit of everyone. No country can be allowed to have IP theft as a national policy, in principle or otherwise.

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    There were IP provisions in the TPP, which Trump left (and at that time did not interest China, perhaps for this reason). That is the sort of thing you can get multi-laterally. Trump instead wants to have bilateral treaties because he thinks he is good with negotiating - but that will exclude any chance of success in IP. And many other things too, for example steel is traded indirectly. What a mess. No interest in studying what others have done, or why. Just restart everything at the amateur, novice level.

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    Nobody caught my quote at the end of the article?

    "I don't think tariffs will be a long-term thing, but they will accelerate (China's) campaign to become independent," said Daniel Nenni, CEO, and founder of Silicon Valley-based SemiWiki.com, an open forum for semiconductor professionals. "You have to control silicon to control your destiny."

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    What do you mean by "You have to control silicon to control your destiny." What is "control silicon"? Own a fab?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad Pierce View Post
    What do you mean by "You have to control silicon to control your destiny." What is "control silicon"? Own a fab?
    Yes, China must have their own fabs and design their own chips to ensure supply and security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Nenni View Post
    Nobody caught my quote at the end of the article?

    "I don't think tariffs will be a long-term thing, but they will accelerate (China's) campaign to become independent"
    Isn't that what Tianhe is all about? I still don't understand what ISA it is, am I right it's a "Chinese ISA"?

    Would it be a right assumption, Risc V may pose a nice way to be more independent for China?

    Also wonder how Trump will react to Zhaoxin x86 (is that IP theft?), and how he feels about Intel's agreement(s) with Spreadtrum (Tsinghua University I believe) and the joint venture of Qualcomm / Guizhou Huaxintong.

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    Tianhe Light uses a Sunway chip with an unpublished instructions set described as RISC and not same as any other.

    Zhaoxin x86 is built based on licenses accumulated by Via through acquisitions. Plus, x86 is really old now. 32 bit instruction set is mid-80s so basics are out of patent, and it seems the Zhaoxin is a simple low power chip derived from Cyrix designs (one of the key acquisitions). I doubt the US administration is paying much attention at chips aimed at super-cheap laptops.

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    He really needs to step up and start acting like a man

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